Thursday, 17 May 2012

Ban Shawcross for season for Rambo leg-break

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by CARL ELDRIDGE First things first and this morning our thoughts must be with Aaron Ramsey as he recovers from a broken leg caused by an horrendous tackle from brain dead hachetman Ryan Shawcross.
 
Imbecilic Shawcross, who that idiot Tony Pulis lamely tried to defend in his whining post-match interview, almost snapped Rambo’s leg in two with a vicious challenge and was duly red-carded as the Arsenal went on to beat this bunch of long ball, long throw merchants 3-1.
Shawcross must be banned for the length of time that poor Aaron is out of the game which is the rest of the season at best with the summer for rehab — it’s simple. He was in tears after the tackle but crocodile tears in my opinion knowing what a disgraceful act he had committed.
This just in from Arsenal.com: “During yesterday’s match against Stoke City, Aaron Ramsey sustained fractures to the tibia and fibula in his right leg. Yesterday evening he underwent surgery. 
“The operation successfully reduced the fractures and whilst it is too soon to state an exact timescale for recovery, Aaron will certainly miss the remainder of this season.  Our thoughts are with Aaron at this time and everyone at the Club wishes him all the best in making as speedy a return to action as possible.”
 
And the papers are full of the aftermath from the tackle and the win at the Britannia. The Sunday Mirror tells us that Ramsey was rushed to hospital with a badly broken leg after being hit by an X-rated Shawcross tackle.

The City skipper was sent off for his challenge. And while concerned Arsenal players and medics surrounded the brilliant young Welshman, Shawcross left the pitch in tears. It brought back instant memories of the horrific broken leg of his Arsenal team-mate Eduardo at Birmingham almost two years to the day, says the paper.

Arsene Wenger, clearly incensed by events, shook his head in dismay as Ramsey was carried off to a waiting ambulance. The Mirror reports that Sky chose not to show replays of the incident and presenter Richard Keys said: “We are not going to show it – you have to feel for his family.”

AW said: “We have a 19-year-old boy who has suffered a horrendous tackle. I would say we are not protected enough. I have no problems with teams being physical but three broken legs in five years is just too much. Tackles like that are not part of football. They just aren’t acceptable. I hope people will spare me stories of how nice Shawcross is. For Ramsey to be kicked out of the game like that is beyond words.”
Shawcross has since issued a stement and the Mail carries it. The statement read: ‘There was absolutely no malice in the challenge.
‘I would never, ever go out to hurt a fellow professional. I am deeply upset that Aaron has suffered such a bad injury and my thoughts are with him. I would like to send him my best wishes too for a speedy recovery.’

The 22-year-old’s sentiments were echoed by his club, who added in the statement: ‘Stoke City would like to send their best wishes to Aaron Ramsey and Arsenal Football Club.’

‘The club do, however, wish to make it quite clear that there was absolutely no malice in the challenge from Ryan Shawcross which caused the injury.’
Pulis added: ‘On behalf of everyone at Stoke City, we would like to express our deepest sympathy to Aaron and Arsenal at what has happened.

‘Our thoughts are with him and his family. We hope he makes a speedy recovery and everyone here wishes to see him back on the football field as soon as possible.’

Pulis also defended Shawcross, adding: ‘Ryan Shawcross has no bad blood in him whatsoever.

‘There is no way in a million years he would ever go out and try and hurt someone. The lad was heartbroken at what has happened, you could see as he came off the pitch that he was in tears and he feels devastated that Aaron has been so badly injured.’
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  • andrew

    The reason we get these tackles is that people think there’s only one way to stop arsenal and that by kicking them
    we suffer from one of the longest injury list in europe every single year and the teams every year think that the way to beat arsenal is to kick them which is actually not true
    this year we have lost to united and chelsea who won the game by playing better football than us not by kicking us
    There’s only one way to correct this and that’s by the FA and the referees.

    Stop the players from kicking us in 4-5 matches and the clubs will get the message if not then I am sorry to say that someone else will suffer from the same injury and this time the next challenge might end the players career

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  • Billy

    Ryan Shawcross is the same person who broke Francis Jeffers’s ankle with a tackle from behind in 2007. He nearly broke Adebayor’s ankle when he wasn’t even on the pitch in our match with them last year and nearly broke Cesc’s foot in the cup match a couple of months ago.

    He’s a thug and went into that tackle recklessly high and with completely unnecessary force. He had one aim and that was to get the ball but hit Aaron as hard as he could in doing so. He may not have necessarily wanted to break his leg but he certainly wanted to leave his “mark”.

    He’s a disgusting individual but once again its not his fault cause he loves his mum, has no previous and wouldnt hurt a fly. B******t.

    Get well soon Aaron. It’s a pity your not ably to play because off a thug not the innocent, honest English professional he is portrayed.

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  • andrew

    please Eldo71
    if you can write a blog then please write a blog about how FA and the referees have to take charge
    this will not stop until the referees stop it on the pitch and to make them do that we need to make some noise and blog like yours can help

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  • Bob at the match

    Why is no-one making an issue of the Stoke ‘fans’ chanting en masse and at length ‘He’s only got one leg’? I have never been so disgusted. Their club should be docked points.

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  • Oskar

    Take an example from the Belgian FA who banned Alex Witsel for 15 games for a similar tackle. Shawcross is a real shitkicker and should not play again this season after that tackle!

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  • Richard

    Here as a United fan but want to pass on my thoughts to AR.It’s always the same hatchet men employed against the talented.

    Great article and great post from Billy. My opinion on this assault is that the punishment should fit the crime. Although intent can never be proved the negligent and over aggressive nature in which Shawcross lunged to take ball then man (which he got wrong) was plain to see for all.

    The only way to try to reduce these awful injuries is for offending players to receive suitable bans, for this we need the FA to step up and create the legislation that makes this possible. Shawcross should sit out the rest of the season and bans like this may just make other players think about the consequences of their actions.

    Get well Aaron!

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  • Gunther

    @Oskar: I’m Belgian and I remember the Witsel tackle vividly. First of all: Witsel got a ban of eight games, not 15. Furthermore, you can’t compare the two incidents. Witsel consciously targeted Wasilevski. Maybe he didn’t want to break his leg, but he sure wanted to hurt the guy. He disputed his red card and wasn’t interested in his opponents injury. You can’t compare that to yesterday’s incident. Shawcross’ challenge was clumsy, maybe even wreckless, but not malicious and definitely not focused on disabling the opponent. Unfortunately, the consequences may be equally bad for Ramsey as for Wasilevski. That’s very sad.

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  • RobM

    You’re wrong.
    This shouldn’t be about Shawcross. He’s a symptom, not the problem itself.

    The problem is the English media, fans, management and whole football culture that makes it acceptable to go around hoofing players like this in the first place.

    I have no doubt that Shawcross feels bad about what he’s done – I don’t think for one moment he planned for that tackle to have such consequences, but he still has to take responsibility for what happened. But in my mind his manager is more responsible – I have no doubt that Shawcross was told by his manager to “get stuck into them, they don’t like it up them” or some other similar clichéd statement, and the moment that happened his manager became responsible for what happened to Ramsey.

    The moment the media started its bias about how that sort of challange is ok is when they assumed their responsibility for the challange.

    The moment the fans started yelling “Same old (whatever) always cheating” whenever anyone went over for any reason at all, they assumed their responsibility for what happened (And I’m including Arsenal fans who yell that to our opposition’s fans, btw, and if you don’t like that then deal with it).

    Shawcross did what he did, there’s no excusing that, but to say this is a matter of how he ought to be punished in isolation is simply missing the point.

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  • football fan

    wouldnt it be fair that the person who sidelines a player is given an ongoing ban that carries on until the player he wrecked returns to his clubs matchday squad?

    as for the clubs and managers that support the dangerous play..

    what would you think about a rule that the squad responsible for injuring a player in this manner (straight red card) should pay his wages until he recovers?

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  • Oskar

    I remember clearly there was a suggestion for 15 games. Maybe he appealed and got 8. Shawcross went in to that tackle to rough up Ramsey… Of course he didn’t want to break his leg but nontheless he should be banned for at least 8 games. We need to stomp this out of the game!

    If you go into a tackle like Shawcross did you want to leave a mark. If you have ever played football you know that!

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  • Adam Watford

    Something being overlooked, to some extent, from what I have read is the role of the manager. Managers like Pulis, Alladyce, Curbishley, Hughes have always seem to think it is a badge of honour to kick us in the air.

    When will they and their ilk be honest enough to state categorically that they tell their players to go in even if it means sailing close to the wind. Shawcross, Taylor and Smith ( correct me if I am wrong ) were/are not regular internationals like Viera and Adams at Arsenal if anybody starts playing that card. Our players never ended anyones careers or even put them in doubt.

    Do Man U put up with these challenges from these teams ? I don’t think you will find the same sort of treatment given to them as often. Still, we had at least one stonewall penalty not given yet Song was booked for nothing. Man U are looked after more than a lot of teams and so any injuries they get are literally unlucky rather than a systematic tactic of kicking them in the air.

    Even Man U tried it against us for a while and lost but at least they had enough skill not to actually main our personnel like the lesser talented cloggers . . .

    sorry, mini blog over !

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  • Gunther

    @Oskar: One of the reasons Witsel got a lengthy ban, was ‘intent’. He looked at the players leg, not at the bal. We have to make a distinction between criminal intent (hitting, elbowing, intention to injure)and wrecklessness.

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  • Gunther

    It wouldn’t be fair, no. The intent and nature of a foul doesn’t necessarily correspond with the injury. Concerning your wage proposal, it would give an enormous benefit to rich teams with compared to teams that pay smaller wages.

    [quote name=football fan]wouldnt it be fair that the person who sidelines a player is given an ongoing ban that carries on until the player he wrecked returns to his clubs matchday squad?

    as for the clubs and managers that support the dangerous play..

    what would you think about a rule that the squad responsible for injuring a player in this manner (straight red card) should pay his wages until he recovers?[/quote]

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  • Oskar

    Gunther. You can never prove intent on a football pitch. Unless the ball is not there or if the player actually tells the referee he will hurt someone.

    Makes me sick how people brings up Shawcross tears as an excuse. Who gives a fuck. All i think about is poor Aaron screaming and crying in agony

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  • keps

    ive just posted on the sky sports website please go and have a look at all the clowns out there!!!! ramsey will be lyin in some hospital heavily medicated and prob still in agaony whilst all the talk is of this nob walkin off the park in tears and gettin taken home by his mummy!!!! f**king hell is the uk full of do-gooders or what!!!! a 18 year old boy gets a shocker of a tackle and everyone is thinking of the stoke player??? what is wrong wth people!!! hw should get a ban till then end of the season total shocker… draw a line under it and move on and hope that ramsey is back for christmas/…. the tackle is shocking but idiots like these managers who approve of the commitment and want these tackles is hughes big sam etc need removed from coachin!!! wenger ferguson mourinho etc always set out teams to play football the rest try to foul to gain a point!!!

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  • Gunther

    Yes, you can. Hitting or elbowing is intentional. Looking at the player instead of the ball also suggests intent. This has been taken into account in court in Holland to sentence a player who terminated the career of an opponent. Concerning Aaron Ramsey, you’re right. Let’s hope he makes a full recovery.

    [quote name=Oskar]Gunther. You can never prove intent on a football pitch. Unless the ball is not there or if the player actually tells the referee he will hurt someone.

    Makes me sick how people brings up Shawcross tears as an excuse. Who gives a fuck. All i think about is poor Aaron screaming and crying in agony[/quote]

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  • Oskar

    Gunther.. I still disagree with you. In the Witsel case it just showed that the Belgian FA actually promotes football and not thuggery like the British FA do on a regular. The looked at it from a footballers perspective. As a footballer you get disgusted by tackles in both the Witsel and Shawcross category.
    As a captain of a lower league team I would go completely Sol Campbell if someone did that to one of my teammates

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  • johnno

    today my thoughts are with rambo,
    get well soon kid !!!!

    still want to keep tackling in the game??
    i do and as tackles go this one wasnt actually that bad , yes the resulting injury was and i pray the boy comes back strong .

    but lets face it there are worse challenges than this week in week out which dont result in any injury at all .

    now i just want us to go on and lift the premiership, which will stick to fingers up to all the anti football idiots, large parts of the media , and to all the fickle wobs .

    i kept the faith and am still hoping to be repaid !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • Danish Gooner

    Pulis is the real culprit here,the bastard condones this sort of behaviour.we are northereners we are hard men show those Arsenal pussies a bit of “commitment” and they will crumble no fucking wonder England is rated as B nation in football.

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  • RobM

    What a great rule – rich clubs like us could afford to take out a couple of players per season, you know, as long as the books are balanced and the players doing the “taking out” were squad donkeys we didn’t need… and financially struggling clubs could be ruined if a genuine accident by one of their players took out a cesc or a shrek for half the season.

    I don’t think so.

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  • Gunther

    The Belgian FA consists of a bunch of retards and I don’t want to discuss them on this forum. Actually, English football is passionate, but competitive, offers high quality and more fairplay than any other league. However, the coaches play an important role in their teams style of play. Maybe we should focus on that.
    Btw: if anyone wants to see a horrible intentional foul without consequences, take a look at this:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz5-_I-VmTQ

    You’ll understand what I mean with intent.

    [quote name=Oskar]Gunther.. I still disagree with you. In the Witsel case it just showed that the Belgian FA actually promotes football and not thuggery like the British FA do on a regular. The looked at it from a footballers perspective. As a footballer you get disgusted by tackles in both the Witsel and Shawcross category.
    As a captain of a lower league team I would go completely Sol Campbell if someone did that to one of my teammates[/quote]http://www.arsenalinsider.com/index.php/backpage-round-up/1477-ban-shawcross-for-season-for-rambo-leg-break

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  • CharlotteGooner

    I think there’s a bigger underlying factor.

    A lot of our problems have been compounded since the loss of David Dein who was VERY influential in the EPL and FA. He could atleast make our case strongly.

    I think that now .. Utd and Chelsea’s agenda comes to the fore.

    We can comment all we want about banning shawcross, but nothing’s going to happen. We need to make it a bigger issue.

    All the Arsenal Blog’s need to get together with their readers and start mass campaigning the FA and EPL.

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  • jooo

    With bloggers like you arsenal players deserve to have the legs snapped every week, you should be ashamed

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  • michelle

    Stokie here. Best wishes to Aaron.

    Sorry but Ryan Shawcross is a nice bloke and a real pro. These things happen. Stoke play no differently against arsenal than any other team. We are not as good as you. No team or individual is as good as the top 4. Money has made this divide and so until wages/transfers are capped, teams like stoke will have to fight harder against genuine talents like Ramsey. That was not a bad tackle and Ryan has never done anything like this before (Jeffers? torn ligaments) Ryan is only 22 and has just as much promise as Ramsey.

    Also, we had Rory Delap break his leg (exact same break as Ramsey) no card for offending player, game resumed and Delap got better.

    Leave Ryan alone now. You have the money to buy again and Aaron has youth on his side and i am sure he will make a full recovery.

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  • db10

    i don’t think it matters whether there was intent. the tackle was reckless and dangerous. the force with which he tackled was completely unnecessary and even if he had won the ball ramseys leg could still have been broken.

    Maybe he didn’t mean to break his leg but its clear that he wanted to hurt the player just looking at how aggressive he was in the tackle. i know this point contradicts my first but the first was a general comment about reckless tackles and the second was my opinion about this particular tackle.

    Ban him for 15 games and fine stoke. is there such a crime as conspiracy to assault because if there is then pulis is guilty.

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  • db10

    [quote name=jooo]arsenal players deserve to have the legs snapped every week[/quote]
    fuck off

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  • craig

    We have to take action here. Shawcross has a long history of this- witness his attack on Adebayor out of bounds and from behind, and his tackle that took out Jeffers’ ankle. The english media is not reporting his history off assault on other players. Please write to the editors’ of the Times, the Guardian, Sky Sports, and any other news organizations to demand that they print Shawcross’s history along with all of Stoke’s denfences of their boy.

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  • db10

    just because he’s a “nice bloke” and some clubs don’t have as much money as others it doesn’t mean he or stoke should be exempt from criticism. you don’t see portsmouth players behaving like this or most of the teams in the bottom half.

    there is a difference between commitment and “fighting harder” and recklessly, dangerously and systematically fouling the opposition.

    putting aside the fouling play that some teams use i’m sure if, for example, an arsenal player had made this tackle on a stoke player you would be just as angry and would be calling for harsher bans on rash and dangerous tackles.

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  • Omar

    Like I think rational people have previously stated, there is a difference between a reckless challenge and playing hard. I don’t mind people playing hard and challenging strong, but there is a distinct difference, I am sure Shawcross is a wonderful human being and really did have no malice, but I am not focusing on his intent. I am focusing on the situation and the challenge he chose to make in that situation. When you are coming in from the side for a tackle when someone is dribbling down a wing, I think it is a defenders job to go in hard. you have a good visual of the ball and man and can put in a calculated amount of force. On the other hand when you go in a head-on 50-50 situation for a ball, I think it is a different proposition. It only takes a certain amound of force to make a tackle, anything in excess of that is a choice. I am not saying Shawcross is the first to make a tackle like this, and I was one of the arsenal fans who thought Gallas should have been banned for the challenge he made because it was horrible. There needs to be an attempt to let people know they have to control their aggression. Just like any other sport, as extreme athletes you have to be aware at the strength and speed at which you play because all it requires is a mistimed tackles and you end in situations like this. The tackles need to be stomped out of the game.

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  • db10

    thats what i was trying to say before but you have said it much better than i did

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  • ahumanbeing

    [quote name=jooo]With bloggers like you arsenal players deserve to have the legs snapped every week, you should be ashamed[/quote]
    An idiot like you should have your neck snapped right now you fool.I don’t care whether the tackle was intentional or not the punishment should fit the crime and the FA should get their heads out of their asses before gets killed on the field you stupid donkey.

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  • ahumanbeing

    How dare you say something like that what if he was a member of you family how can you be so insensitive,you must be the greatest asshole on the planet I wish I could see you now so I could make you feel what it feels like to have you legs snapped; you stupid whancker [quote name=ahumanbeing][quote name=jooo]With bloggers like you arsenal players deserve to have the legs snapped every week, you should be ashamed[/quote]
    An idiot like you should have your neck snapped right now you fool.I don’t care whether the tackle was intentional or not the punishment should fit the crime and the FA should get their heads out of their asses before gets killed on the field you stupid donkey.[/quote]

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  • NickA

    [quote name=jooo]With bloggers like you arsenal players deserve to have the legs snapped every week, you should be ashamed[/quote]
    GO FUCK YOURSELF YOU IMBECILE.

    YOUR’RE A FUCKIN’ RETARD.

    BAN THIS FUCKIN’ PRICK

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  • Berg10

    So punish the player, the manager and the club.

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  • Berg10

    But we don’t!

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  • Berg10

    db10
    ban him for as long as Aaron is sidelined.

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  • Berg10

    DG
    Pulis is not a Northener he is in actual fact Welsh born 10 miles away from Aaron’s birthplace.

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  • Berg10

    joo.
    Fuck yoo.

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  • Berg10

    michelle
    You’re an arsehole

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  • db10

    i was trying not to lose all sense of realism and that will never happen unfortunately.

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  • TJ14

    Berg10, comic genius. The bluntness made me laugh in the office.

    Michelle, I may be generalising here, but you, and all other women, know nothing about football. I am sure you watched the game in the kitchen while peeling the spuds.

    Shawcross is not a thug. He is a player of very limited ability who epitomises all that is wrong with English football.

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  • db10

    How on earth he is in the england squad. A few months ago i thought england had a chance at the world cup but now with terry playing shit, cashley will be shit, this wanker in the squad and with gerrard off form and ferdinand constantly injured i don’t think we have a chance.

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  • TJ14

    As a gooner, I would rather have seen Dawson called up from the Spuds. he is a committed player, but not in the way Shawcross is.

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  • gooner49

    Michelle, Jeffers broke his ankle – Adebayor damaged ankle ligaments thanks to that imbecile’s challenge, and Ronaldo was lucky not to incur a serious injury from him last year – no blame attached to you there, it’s difficult to keep track of such a player’s injury record.

    As for suggesting the injury is less important because we can supposedly afford to buy – i know a few women who have an excellent perception of the game but their standing is ridiculed by morons like you who make comments like that.

    Intentional or not, it was completely reckless and was not coincidental that it broke his leg – it would do if he made that exact same tackle every time. He deserves a lengthy ban, anybody who feels that justice is served with him returning mid-March (and representing England) whilst Ramsey will be lucky to fulfil anything near his potential, then you’re simply wrong.

    Finally, tell me that if three United players had had their legs broken (such as Diaby, Eduardo, Ramsey) on the road over in a 4-year period that Ferguson wouldn’t be complaining more vociferously than Wenger and would be getting more support from the media, not disrespectfully labelled a “delusionalist”.

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  • gooner49

    For your attention Michelle – my post below.

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  • hannah

    well if you all ask me i think that your are all twats because its only a game of football grow up people get hurt all the time its just because your famouse it dont mean you get a different treatment grow up people your nt 5 years old

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  • richard

    Hi Hannah,

    If you hate football so much what the hell are you doing on here?

    Judging by your language and spelling I’m guessing thast you are perhaps 5 or 6 years old too.

    Go and feed some pretty ponies and maybe come back when you have some compassion.

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  • hannah

    wellif people wanna be so childsih then youget what come to you really there noneed tobe so competitive really

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  • hannah

    that all i wanted to say nd wish you all the best with the teams you love

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