Thursday, 17 May 2012

Premier League Squad Rules 2010/11 – Problems Ahead?

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There’s been much written over the last couple of weeks about the new Premier League squad rules to apply from next season. Arsčne Wenger has criticised the regulations. 

In fact Arsenal has been essentially complying with the rules for a number of seasons already. Since 2005/6 regulations put in place at the annual UEFA Congress which took place at the Estonian capital of Tallinn in 2005 have applied to all clubs entering the Europa League and the Champions League, restricting squad size and composition. The full effect of the new regulations was phased in over four seasons. From 2008/9 all clubs competing in UEFA competitions have had to submit a so-called “A” list of a maximum of 25 senior professionals, of which at least eight have to have been developed by the a club in the same national association. Of those eight at least four have to be developed by the club itself. The “home-trained” quota can be five, six, seven or eight players, as long as at least four have been developed by the club itself. 

The definition of “home trained” is a player who has spent at least three years at the club between the ages of 16 and 21. The rules make no reference to nationality. Clubs competing in the Europa League and the Champions League may submit an additional “B” list comprising an unlimited number of players under the age of 21 on I January in the year in which the relevant season starts who have spent at least three years with the club. All these players are eligible to play for the club in UEFA competitions. 

It is essentially these regulations that will apply in the Premier League from next season. The difference is that none of the home developed players will have to have been developed by the club itself, merely by a club in England or Wales (the latter change being due to the senior Welsh professional clubs playing in the English league system). Aaron Ramsey will therefore count towards the quota, as will Cesc Fàbregas and Gaël Clichy (assuming they’re both still with us next season!) 

The following current players would also qualify for “the eight”: 

Theo Walcott
Johan Djourou
Denilson
Kieran Gibbs
Jack Wilshere
Armand Traore
Vito Mannone
Nicklas Bendtner
Alex Song
Sol Campbell
Craig Eastmond
Fran Mérida
Wojciech Szczęsny
Tom Cruise
Kyle Bartley
Luke Ayling
Jay Simpson
Nacer Barazite
Jay Emmanuel-Thomas
Mark Randall
Henri Lansbury
Gavin Hoyte 

That assumes all those players stay at the club of course, but unless there’s a mass exodus we should have no problems fitting under the “A” list squad cap. Some of the marginal fringe players who can’t qualify for the “B” list (under the age of 21, three years with a club in England or Wales) are likely to have to go though. We don’t have to get rid of them, but they’ll be of limited use to us as they won’t be able to play in Europe or the Premier League, only the FA Cup and the Carling Cup. I’d guess a fair number will be put on the transfer list or put out on a season-long loan. 

Arsčne Wenger has said he opposes the rules. Personally, I support them. It will stop the money no object clubs Chelsea and Manchester City from “banking” players principally to keep them out of the hands of their opponents. It will also incentivise clubs to “blood” players from their academies. 

There’s be some frankly ill-informed comments about the new squad regulations out there in the Arsenal blogosphere. The point which many appear to be missing is that a) there is no reference in the regulations to nationality. The Treaty of Rome makes it unlawful to discriminate against nationals of the European Union, European Economic Area (the EU plus Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein) and Switzerland; b) that the “A” list of 25 senior professionals can be supplemented at any time by an unlimited number of players under the age of 21 from the club’s youth academy (who have spent at least three seasons at the club between the ages of 16 and 21). 

There has been some argument that the regulations could be the subject of a legal challenge as a restraint of trade. I could make an intelligent legal argument that that was the case but I think such a challenge would fail. Settled cases of the European Court of Justice at Luxembourg where these things tend to end up these days make it clear that professional sport is entitled to make its own regulations provided that they are proportionate to the ends they are intended to achieve and are introduced for a sporting purpose. I could mount a vigorous defence on those grounds, and I’m an informed lay person rather than a lawyer. Despite the boss’s objections I think the rules will benefit us as a club that has invested a lot of time, effort and money in developing our own players. 

In contention for the seventeen “open spots” on the 25 player “A” at Arsenal list will be: 

Andrey Arshavin
Manuel Almunia
Lukasz Fabiański
Bacary Sagna
Thomas Vermaelen
Tomáš Rosický
Abou Diaby
Samir Nasri
Eduardo
William Gallas
Robin van Persie
Carlos Vela
Emmanuel Eboué
William Gallas 

I’ve left Philippe Senderos and Mikaël Silvestre out of contention. Both are out of contract in the summer. I assume they won’t be offered new deals. William Gallas and Sol Campbell are also out of contract too. I’d make them both offers personally. We would have been REALLY stuffed without Campbell in the latter half of the season. His attitude has been fantastic. I’d give him another year, as much for his influence in the dressing room and on the training ground with the younger players as for his ability as a reliable, experienced reserve. 

We have plenty of head-room in the seventeen “open” spots, especially if a couple of players move on. I’ve loved Eduardo since he came to the club but I have severe doubts about whether he’s going to make it back to his former pre-injury level. I also wouldn’t be unhappy to see Manuel Almunia and Lukasz Fabiański go if we get decent offers for them. It would be better to keep Almunia though I think, assuming we can get a top of the line goalie in as first choice. I think we’ll get better out of Wojciech Szczęsny in the long-term if he spends another season out on loan. He’s only just 20 which is young for a goalkeeper. If Fabiański doesn’t go we’ll need to loan out him, Almunia or Mannone, else we’ll have one too many goalkeepers on the books. We need only three in the first team squad. 

I’ve also had more than enough of Andrey Arshavin’s pining and whining. If the bloke doesn’t want to knuckle down, shut up and soldier I’d let him go – if we can get any decent offers for him. He is turning out to be all fur coat and no drawers as they say in Scotland. I love class players who can play, but everybody has to take their turn carrying the piano as well as playing it in any successful team. Arshavin appears completely uninterested when we don’t have the ball. 

It appears all but certain that forward Marouane Chamakh will be joining us after his contract with Girondins de Bordeaux expires this summer. That leaves a goalkeeper and a central defender as the primary positions in which we need to recruit quality and experience I believe. We may need to do more recruiting in central defence if William Gallas and/or Sol Campbell don’t end up being offered and accepting new contracts for next season. 

We’ll also need to be thinking about a plan B in case any of Cesc Fàbregas, Gaël Clichy, Bacary Sagna or Andrey Arshavin are tempted away. I certainly don’t want any the first three named to leave but you never know – it’s better to be prepared like the good Boy Scout. We also need to sit Arshavin down and have a very serious word with him. Shape up or ship out mate. 

Keep the faith! 

vic@arsenalinsider.com

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  • JJ

    Good stuff as always Vic! Love this site as its my main Gunners news source since I live in the faraway land of Daytona Beach, Florida, where I think I am the only Arsenal supporter in the county. Go Gunners!

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  • James

    Arsenal goalkeeping solution lie in the PL, heres why
    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/384952-arsenal-need-a-keeper-wenger-will-find-one-in-pl?just_published=1

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  • Jon Jarvis

    This is what the squad list would look like – permitting we get rid of Silvestre and Senderos we have 3 spaces….

    1 Manuel Almunia
    2 Lukasz Fabianski
    3 Vito Mannone – HG
    4 Eduardo
    5 Bacary Sagna
    6 Thomas Vermaelen
    7 William Gallas
    8 Robin van Persie
    9 Johan Djourou – HG
    10 Gael Clichy -HG
    11 Carlos Vela
    12 Theo Walcott -HG
    13 Sol Campbell -HG
    14 Abou Diaby
    15 Cesc Fabregas -HG
    16 Tomas Rosicky
    17 Samir Nasri
    18 Denilson
    19
    20 Alex Song
    21
    22 Andrey Arshavin
    23 Emmanuel Eboue
    24 Nicklas Bendtner -HG
    25

    Jack Wilshere -HG
    Wojciech Szczesny
    Kieran Gibbs
    Armand Traore
    Aaron Ramsey -HG

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  • db10

    thanks. very informative as always.

    I wonder how many players Liverpool and chelsea have that qualify?

    I know you have said that there are 17 players who can fill the rest of the spaces but if all of your list of 14 were included plus the home grown players then i think that leaves us with more than 25 players over 21yrs old. So we won’t have a problem with the home grown rule but we might have more of a problem with the limit of 25 players. Especially if some of those players under 21 have to be included in the squad of 25 to make up the ‘home grown’ numbers.

    have i misunderstood the rule? i was thinkning that for example Rambo wouldn’t be included in the 25 because he was under 21 but does this mean he won’t be able to play in the epl or cl? I’m more confused now than before i started typing this…

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  • Berg10

    Good suggestion on the goalkeeping problem Vic keeping Almunia, if we brought in two experienced keepers I doubt either one would be happy on the bench whereas our current crop might be prepared to do so.

    I’ve read a load of guff that Fabianski hasn’t been given a chance as he’s played just the odd game and come in cold, this to me is bolux, other keepers manage it, he simply loses concentration.

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  • Jez26

    I’m not sure about these regulations. They won’t affect our club very much, but I would have liked to have seen the home grown players having to be from your club. The fact that they can have played for any English/Welsh club is only going to encourage the rich clubs like Chelsea to poach young talent from elsewhere… Everyone talks about the core of English players at Chelsea, Man U and Spurs, but how many are actually their youth products!?

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  • as

    Arsenal are actually brilliantly poised for this rule, more than any other club, it seems.

    First, the rule is not about age, it’s about having 8 “HOMEGROWN” players in a squad of 25 (IRRESPECTIVE of AGE) + unlimited UNDER 21’s.

    A “HOMEGROWN” player is one who has been registered (trained) with an English or Welsh club for THREE YEARS between the ages of 16-21.

    So from the current squad the players that qualify as HG and can be included in the required 8 are:

    Mannone,
    Szchezny – PL/CL1,
    Campbell – PL/CL2,
    Clichy – PL/CL3,
    Gibbs – PL/CL4,
    Traore,
    Eastmond,
    Djouru – PL/CL5,
    Diaby – PL/CL6,
    Denilson – PL/CL7,
    Ramsey – PL/CL8,
    Song – PL/CL9,
    Fabregas – PL/CL10,
    Walcott – PL/CL11,
    Bendtner – PL/CL12,
    Wilshere,
    Merida,
    Vela – PL/CL13

    Then the rest of the non-HG players would be:

    NewGloalie – PL/CL14,
    Fabianski/Almunia – PL/CL15,
    Vermaelan – PL/CL16,
    NewDefender/Gallas – PL/CL17,
    Eboue – PL/CL18,
    Sagna – PL/CL19,
    Arshavin – PL/CL20,
    Rosicky – PL/CL21,
    Nasri – PL/CL22,
    VanPersie – PL/CL23,
    Eduardo – PL/CL24,
    NewStriker – PL/CL25.

    Those that are numbered PL/CL could be our “registered” 25 for the Premier League and Champions League, which even includes space for 3 new signings! We can also include an unlimited number of under 21′s such as:

    Mannone, Traore, Eastmond, Wilshere, Merida + some new “apprentices” such as:

    Barazite, Emannuel-Thomas, Bartley, Lansbury, Randall, Freeman, Watt, Sunu

    Those that are not getting much game time (and there will be loads – as you can see from the list), will easily cover the FA and Carling Cups!

    How many of the other top 4 or even PL teams can boast a list like that?

    We should be OK.

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  • as

    I think we’d struggle if we had to include only non-HG players! thats how made we are for this rule!

    The list I gave above proves two things:

    1. Our Youth Setup/Academy ARE producing players at an astonishing rate, whereas as other teams feel lucky if they produce 1 player every few years, when we are producing a few players EVERY year!

    2. Wenger saw this all coming, and prepared us for it – he is a GENIUS in this respect and soon everyone will acknowledge that.

    And to think they keep referring to Arsenal as all foreign and with little English/Homegrown players, when after the rule comes into force, Arsenal will be (according to the HG definition) the MOST English/Homegrown team of all!

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  • goonerkk4

    i don’t get this new rule? so if we had a player injured from our 25, we cant replace him? so would the january transfer window be useless because of it?

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  • as

    goonerkk4,

    You cannot replace an injured member of the 25 outside a transfer window, you can add players, but only under 25′s from your Youth set up, of course there may be exceptional circumstances, like the ManC goalkeeping situation, but normally, no.

    You can change the list of 25 during only transfer windows, so the transfer window is not useless, it is an opportunity to refresh your list of 25.

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  • arsenal

    this is a confusing rule

    so for the PL and europe, what if we have an injury crisis in mid october?

    can we use any of the players from the under 21 category? ie the reserves and youth players

    basically, the under 21 category, can they be used at any time on top of the 25?

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  • Vic Crescit

    @ JJ – you’re welcome mate. Might be worth your checking with Arsenal USA (the officially recognised supporters’ club over there) to see if there are any other Gooners in your neck of the woods over there in your part of Florida.

    @ DB10 – The age limit of 21 only applies to the “B” list which is unlimited. It’s only application to the A” list of 25 is in determining whether a player is eligible to count as an “England/Wales developed player” to fill the minimum number of eight of the 25. Hence Sol Campbell would qualify if we kept him as he came up as a “yoof” at Spuds.

    Rambo can’t go on the B list as he hasn’t been with us for three years (joined in 2008) but does qaulify as one of the “A” list eight as he was developed by Cardiff City and has done three years at clubs in England and Wales.

    I’ve been arguing for a while that AW saw this one coming. He has his defects but lack of foresight isn’t one of them!

    @ arsenal – the rule isn’t too confusing once you’ve got your head fully round it. The “A” and “B” lists have to be submitted to the PL at the end of August and again in at the close of the winter window, so players can come in and out in the January window. Essentially we’ve had to comply with it in the CL for four seasons now.

    @ Jez26 – I agree to the extent that I’d like the rule to require a minimum of four of the eight to be developed by the club rather than in England/Wales, as they are in the UEFA regulations that apply to the Europa League/Champions League.

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  • Vic Crescit

    A bit of breaking news. The Emirates Cup visitors for the coming pre-season on the weekend of 31 July/1 August 2010 are, drum-roll, Milan, Olympique Lyonnais and Celtic. Yawn. I’m probably in a small minority but even though I live less than a mile from the ground I can’t be arsed with the Emirates Cup. The opposition always seems so uninteresting to me.

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  • goonamerica

    which milan?

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  • george

    I believe Song qualifies for HG as well.

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  • db10

    AC Milan – Their shirt sponsor next season is going to be Fly Emirates.

    lyon and celtic aren’t and i thought the teams were all going to be teams who were sponnsored by emirates (psg and hamburg among others)

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  • Mexican Gunner

    I have your solution V.C. : Sell me your tickets ( ;-) )

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  • Pete The First

    Vic, I suspect there will be a test case in time which will force Platini to change his rules.

    I wonder how harshly the rules will be enforced outside England?

    If you take Platini’s comments to date you would think that England has the only league with debt problems. He has obviously overlooked Spain, where Madrid, Barca & Valencia are all in dire straights.

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  • SiMamu

    1. New goalie
    2. Sczeny/Mannone HG
    3. Almunia/Fabianski
    4. Vermaelen
    5. Sagna/replacement
    6. Eboue
    7. Clichy/replacement
    8. Koscielny
    9. Djourou HG
    10. Gibbs HG
    11. Fabregas/new defensive mid to replace
    12. Rosicky
    13. Nasri
    14. Diaby HG
    15. Song HG
    16. Ramsey HG
    17. Wilshere HG
    18. Walcott HG
    19. Bendtner
    20. v. Persie
    21. Chamakh
    22. Vela HG
    23. Denilson HG
    24. Arshavin/replacement
    25. new centre back/eduardo

    b-list: traore, reserves

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