Thursday, 17 May 2012

Season Ticket Renewals/New Part-Owner At Arsenal?

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I was surprised at the balance of posts to my blog last Friday about my seriously not considering renewing my season ticket. I’ve got eight days to decide now until the renewal deadline next Tuesday 1 June 2010. I’ve still to hear from the club about my query on the amount of the refund for last season’s unused cup credit. I’ve now made a formal complaint about this under the club charter. 

What surprised me was the number of those who posting who appeared to feel the same way as me. I thought it was just me being a grumpy old man. Apparently not. By the way having looked at my Friday blog again I can see how some people might have surmised that I’m on the dole. I’m not. How on earth anybody could think I could afford an Arsenal season ticket costing the best part of £2,000 living on £64.30 a week Jobseekers’ Allowance I have no idea. I’d have to not eat or pay any gas, electricity, water or telephone bills for over six months! Anybody who thinks its easy living on the dole has never tried it. I was unemployed for three months in 1978, my only period of unemployment since leaving school in 1974. It was NOT fun. 

I heard an interesting South African writer called Kevin Bloom talking on BBC Radio 5 Live on the podcast of Up All Night on Saturday. He made the very astute observation that writing helps you work out what you think. That was certainly the case for me writing my blog last Friday. Thinking about the issue over the weekend I’m even more inclined towards not renewing. Those who read this blog regularly will know that I’m a big fan of South American football. I visit the continent as regularly as I can particularly Argentina and Uruguay where I have friends. 

The way I’m thinking at the moment I’d rather concentrate my live football fix in a few weeks every year watching my beloved River Plate in Buenos Aires and Nacional in Montevideo. I’m not blind to the corruption and violence that blights the game in both countries. The passion of the fans there has to be experienced first-hand to be truly understood and appreciated though. 

I remember watching the host nation’s games in the 1978 World Cup in Argentina on television over here. Due to the time difference most of them kicked off at 11.00pm British time. The first was Argentina versus Hungary. The ticker-tape welcome as Argentina came on the field made my hair stand up. 

The game in Argentina had become besmirched by the negative; win at all costs tactics of Boca Juniors, Estudiantes de La Plata and Racing Club in their “take no prisoners” runs to  Copa Libertadores wins. The latter two are both remembered here for brutal performances against Manchester United and Celtic in the World Club Championship, then an unofficial tournament played over two home and away legs. 

The Argentine national team had been embroiled in controversy after the England manager Alf Ramsey called them “animals” after England beat them in the quarter-finals, Argentine captain Antonio Rattín being sent off. 

The game was refereed by the West German Rudolf Kreitlein, the West Germany v Uruguay quarter-final at Hillsborough being taken by Englishman Jim Finney. The England v Argentina match is still called el robo del siglo (the robbery of the century) in Argentina. Many conspiracy theories persist about how there was an “arrangement” by the Europeans to have the referees favour our continent’s teams. Finney sent off two Uruguayans at Hillsborough, with West Germany winning 4-2. 

In 1978, Argentina was under the heal of a horrible, neo-fascist military junta. The Argentine team under coach César Luis Menotti played a style far more in keeping with the best of Argentina’s football traditions of fast, close passing. They had some excellent players. There was deep controversy surrounding their 6-0 battering of Peru in the second group stage, but they finally emerged winners, beating the Netherlands 3-1 after extra time. 

I made my first visit to Argentina in 1980, my first game there being River Plate against Newell’s Old Boys of Rosario at the Monumental. River featured World Cup hero Mario Kempes, newly returned from a spell with Valencia in Spain (where he played against us in the 1980 European Cup Winners’ Cup Final), Daniel Passarella, the great Mario Cejas in goal, at the end of his playing days but still excellent, standing in for the injured Ubaldo Fillol, Norberto Alonso, Leopoldo Luque and Oscar Ortiz. The Newell’s side contained Américo Gallego. The game had everything, great goals including a ripper from Kempes and an absolute Howitzer free-kick from Daniel Passarella. River won 4-2 with the crowd going absolutely Radio Rental. Brilliant. It was love at first sight. 

I’ve got eight days to ponder further. It will be a very difficult decision. I love Arsenal so, so much. Clearly the feeling isn’t mutual however. It’s entirely possible I’ll end up next season becoming a Red member and going to the odd game, watching the rest on the box. Dropping down to Silver isn’t an option. Silver membership is full and is offered to the longest-standing Red members as and when Silver members don’t renew. I’d be a very long way back in the queue, about 80,000 places or so. Great. 

Yesterday’s Sunday Times and today’s Times brings us speculation that Nigerian billionaire Aliko Dingote is one of eight “super-rich” investors prepared to pay Lady Nina Bracewell-Smith over £100 million to relieve her of her 9,893 (15.9%) Arsenal shares. The cynic in me tells me that this is Blackstone, the American bank that Lady Nina has appointed to sell her shares to the highest bidder, trying to “flush out” buyers with the necessary ego and money. 

To buy her shares without a clear alliance with either Alisher Usmanov or Danny Fiszman and Stan Kroenke would be the biggest of punts. Usmanov has neither positive influence nor seat on the board despite owning nearly 27% of the club. On the other hand I think Fiszman and Kroenke would sell if somebody offered them enough money. Why wouldn’t they both walk away with huge gains? Kroenke certainly has no emotional ties to the club. Fiszman appears to always do what suits his narrow financial interests, which include paying as little tax as he possibly can on the fortune he accrued in this country. 

There is likely to be tax increases on capital gains in the coalition government emergency budget due on 22 June 2010. You can’t see Lady Nina wanting to pay a penny more that she absolutely can’t avoid on her shares (for which she nor her husband paid a single penny. Her husband Sir Charles Bracewell-Smith inherited them from his grandfather Sir Bracewell Smith, who left his Arsenal shares to his grandchildren in his will). All this speculation at the expense of my football club makes me ill. 

Some good news came over the last few days with the confirmation that Moroccan international forward Marouane Chamakh has finally put pen to paper on an Arsenal contract. This move was one of the worst-kept secrets in football. The confirmation of his addition to the squad is most welcome though. 

Keep the faith! 

vic@arsenalinsider.com

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  • Joe

    Good riddance then. If you aren’t enjoying it anymore then don’t, and let someone on the MASSIVE waiting list have the opportunity to do so instead.

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  • James Fernie

    @Vic – I can see your point and admire your stance, but I think you’d regret it. Better off pay up and rent the ticket out than lose your spot. I’m sure someone like @Joe, who’s clearly missed your point, would happily rent it from you.
    I was lucky enough to rent half a season ticket this year and it gave me so much more access to games than as a red member.
    I did, however have my silver membership confirmed today after my brief 11 year wait! So it’s nice to have the option.

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  • pete smith

    You’ve missed his point here Joe

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  • Chevre Chaude

    Did you remember to factor in the rise in VAT to the cost of your season ticket.

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  • dave

    Please ignore the ignorant fools that berate you for having the nerve to consider where and how you spend your own money!

    Do what you need to do.. It’s not like we fill 60000 every week, although don’t tell the club that! You’ll always manage to get a ticket and all the big games will be on TV.

    This may well be my last year as well..

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  • Not over the hill

    I am truly sorry that a true Arsenal supporter is thinking of giving up his seat whilst there seems to be any number who cannot wait to toss Vic out of his seat.
    As for the sale of the Arsenal shares, there is always tax avoidance. Tax evasion is of course more in the David O’Leary and that barrow boy at White Hart Lane DNA!!

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  • Vic Crescit

    @ joe – you’re quite entitled to your opinion and to express it. I repeat what I said in my Friday blog. I prefer to ge kissed when I’m being screwed.

    @James Fernie – I can see why many people do rent or share season tickets. Not my personal style though. I play by the rules. If I don’t like the rules I try and change them. If I can’t I don’t play. The more I think about it the angrier I’m becoming.

    @ Chevre Choude – Yes, I did. The VAT refund was paid for an entire season last year. The club gained six months and lost six months as far as season ticket holders go. The VAT returned to 17.5% on 1/1/10. £1825 was the price of my ticket pre the temporary reduction to 15% so we’re all square on that count.

    @ dave – thanks for your kind words. Football in this country needs to wake up and smell the coffee. I’m mad as hell and I’m not gonna take being treated as mindless turnstile fodder anymore. I’ve plonked my money down for over 42 years. I think I’m entitled to a little basic respect.

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  • Not over the hill

    ¿Cuantos milliones “
    There is a voters poll at http://www.mundodeportivo.es, as to how much Barça should pay for their “culé”, Cesc. By the way not the Argintinian, Chilean or Panama meaning of the word “culear”!!!!
    I put my peseta in for “más de 70 (milos)” box. Of the 17,606 votes, 6% have voted for over €70 millions.

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  • Vic Crescit

    @ Not over the hill – Arsenal shouldn’t accept a penny less that £45 million in my view (about €51.75 million). If Cesc is so keen to leave with four seasons left on his contract he can take a pay cut to accomodate a decent transfer fee. He’d still be on more in a week than I earn in two years.

    I’ve got nothing against the fella. He’s a superb player and I want him to stay. We should play hardball on his transfer though.

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  • Jamie1984

    the one cup credit you got deducted from the price of your season ticket was a category B game.

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  • Guildford

    Another great post Vic.

    Sadly,though I will get slated by some for saying it,this club sold its soul years back & the only way us loyal Arsenal fans can get it back from the power of money that now spreads through the game like cancer, is for us to go backwards before we go forward.

    We need a bit of the old Victoria Concordia Crescit back.

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  • db10

    Hopfully if we continue on the current path in the future when all the debt is paid off the price of tickets could go down. Look at Bayern Munich. Virtually no debt and the price of a ticket is around £15. Imagine that. £15 per match to see the double winners and champions league finalists.

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  • lasagne

    dont renew so I can get a season ticket and god willing go the cl final, semi final and final of the fa cup and the final of the piss cup.Thats of course only if we get there, which I believe we can, so dont renew and hopefully I can get a season ticket and watch the best football being played on the planet week in week out without having to wait for silver tickets.

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  • pauly h

    IM RENEWING MY SEASON TKTS BUT ONLY BECAUSE IM SCARED THAT I WILL NEVER GET THEM BACK IF I DONT , IM SURE ONE DAY WE WILL TRY AND ACTUALLY WIN CUPS AGAIN AS AND WHEN AW LEAVES, LETS PRAY ITS IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE AND WELL BEFORE IVE SPENT ANOTHER £2366 ON 2 TKTS TO WATCH A TEAM TRY ANG GET 4TH PLACE RATHER THAN WINNING SILVERWARE

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  • Marie Antoinette

    I had to double check that this was arsenal insider. Today it’s more like LeGrove eeeuuww!
    Waah Waah! Renew or don’t but this infantile self-indulgent saga that you are trying to make out of it is the worst type of blogging masturbation.
    Grow up.

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  • Mexican Gunner

    I voted “betwen 50 and 60″.

    The majority says “betwen 30 and 40″ ha stupid cules who want to “culearnos”!!

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  • James

    I’ve been on the waiting list for 8 or 9 years now and *think* i may get a season ticket this year (If 2500 don’t get renewed), but I can sympathise with your point of view. It is a ridiculous amount of money, especially when you factor in travel, a pint or 2 and a programme. I’m working on the theory that I’ll rent it out for half the year (lesser games).
    Have been a red member since the membership thing started but still no sign of going Silver so looks like the only way to get regular tickets for the big games.

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  • Vic Crescit

    @ db10 – I’d like to think so mate, but I’m not holding my breath. The difference between us and Bayern is they’re 50% +1 owned by their supporters so they actually listen to them. They lashed out hundreds of millions of euros to build the Alianz Arena but don’t take the piss out of their fans like we do.

    @ lasagne – I wouldn’t bank on tickets for the big finals even as a Gold season ticket holder mate. We’ve got 45,500 season ticket holders (38,500 Gold and 7,000 Platinum Club level) and only get 26-27k tickets for FA Cup/Champions League Finals (when we get to them). To be guarenteed a ticket for Paris 2006 you had to have at least three away credits as well as being a Gold/Platinum member. That away figure is likely to go up rather than down.

    Whichever way you look at it 20k or so season ticket holders won’t get a ticket for the next big final we reach.

    @ Marie Antoinette – you’re entitled to your opinion mate. I think I’ve earned my right to a say after 42 years of plonking my hard-earned down. Your self-indulgent masturbation is my “cri de coeur”.

    I don’t imagine for a moment that anybody at Highbury House gives a stuff what I think. If you don’t like it either then you’re entitled to say so as you have. I will however continue to write what I like until or if the site blogmaster shuts me up.

    @ james – you can try renting it out if you get one (you’ll be OK this year I think) or selling on the club Ticket Exchange but I think you might struggle, at least at face price, judging only from the number of empty seats at many games, despite them being sell-outs.

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  • Vic Crescit

    @ Jamie1984 – yes, but a category B game for my seat is £66, not £63. As others have said I’ve today had a reply from the club saying it’s a VAT adjustment, except that all Gold season ticekt holders got a refund for the VAT reduction off last season’s renewal. In the time of the VAT refuction (1/12/08-31/12/09) we played 28 home games so by my reckoning we’re all square on VAT.

    I know it’s only £3 but it’s the principle of the thing. No doubt the club’s response will be that the club can’t reclaim the VAT paid in advance on my 2008/9 season ticket so they’re out of pocket. A friend of mine who is an partner speciaising in tax at a major accountancy practice tells me that they can.

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  • Pete The First

    A couple of decent points again Vic.

    I know a number of people that ‘rent’ their season tickets out. For some games they really struggle to get takers. So if you do swallow your pride there are plenty of spares flying around each game.

    The club cashed in on season tickets when they upped the numbers to 45,000 at The Grove. The flip side as you mentioned was not getting tickets for big games. I know a number of season ticket holders of 30 years plus who didn’t get tickets for the Champions League final in Paris because they didn’t have enough away credits. A proper two fingers from the club for all those years of support through the thin years where some crowds struggled to break 20,000 at Highbury.

    Giving priority to away members is flawed in my opinion because all you are doing is lining the pockets of clubs that don’t deserve our money purely to preserve the chance of getting a ticket for a final. The reason Arsenal did it was because they had no proper record of the loyal fans that had held season tickets for many years.

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  • juliano fererez

    Suggestion: do what a lot of gooners I know have done the last few seasons – buy the season ticket and sell off half the matches to someone else – or via the club website – match by match.

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  • Vic Crescit

    @ Pete the First – Fair point on picking up season ticket “spares” mate, but if I end up not renewing I’d rather not “prop up” the current system. I don’t knock people who rent or share season tickets. It’s just not for me personally.

    I agree also that the “loyalrty” system for cup final tickets needs to be looked at again. Unfortunately there’s no perfect system but we can do better than we are at the moment.

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  • nikk

    Don’t renew it mate…you can buy a fake one from our Nigerian investor soon!

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  • db10

    Regarding the ownership situation and the sale of Lady nina’s stake this article sums it all up pretty well i think:

    http://www.sportingintelligence.com/2010/05/24/attempted-%E2%80%98auction%E2%80%99-flops-as-nigerian-billionaire-denies-any-interest-in-buying-arsenal-stake-240501/

    Some outlining quotes:
    “The latest failed attempt to kick-start a high-stakes auction for Lady Nina Bracewell-Smith’s 15.9 per cent stake in Arsenal ended in a whimper this afternoon when a Nigerian billionaire emphatically denied any interest in buying the shares, effectively rubbishing earlier reports to the contrary.”

    “At the market rate of around £10,000 per share, Lady Nina’s holding (9,893 shares) is nominally worth £98.93m.

    Bizarrely, some reports say she is seeking £150m to £160m for her shares and that a buyer could be selected from a list of up to 10 interested parties. On the face of it, this is fantasy; if Lady Nina potentially has so many great offers that she can pick and choose where the shares go at such an enormous premium over market rates, it seems odd in a deep recession that she hasn’t cashed in already. Blackstone declined to comment.”

    “A 15.9 per cent stake for a completely new shareholder would be useless to them for the foreseeable future if they had ambitions to own Arsenal and were not already allied to either Kroenke or Usmanov. That level of ownership would not even guarantee a seat on the board (Usmanov has no seat), let alone any shot at control.

    A new buyer may fancy a £100m chunk of Arsenal if there were genuinely a passionate Arsenal fan, had no desire for control or meaningful influence, had the spare cash to spend, and perhaps wanted to see a long-term upside either in dividends or growth in value of the stock.

    Yet speculation that a completely new, unaffiliated face on the scene can buy 15.9 per cent and becoming a serious player for control betrays a lack of understanding of the current ownership structure and power balance.”

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  • Leanna

    I have an arsenal season ticket, that i would like to rent for the season if anyone is interested please let me know.

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  • Mexican Gunner

    Hi please send me mail, im interested. supergrizzly@hotmail.com

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  • Bharat

    I have an arsenal season ticket, that i would like to rent for the season if anyone is interested please let me know.
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