FTK Blog: Will losing do us good?

Poor FTK.

You are in absolute self-denial.

You have been duped, toyed with, spat on and laughed at by Arsenal’s spin machine.

And I always had you down as one of the more intelligent contributors.

In, what is it now, four years? You have learned diddly squat my friend.

What a complete and utter load of bo**ox!
No losing will not do us good.
Face the facts, we were beaten by a team who wanted it more, fought harder, tried harder and were better than us.
The same old story time and time again and it’s fans like you who are happy to accept the crap the club are giving us, the endless profits off the pitch and the fu**ing mentasl strength? Where the f**k was the mental strength yesterday?
Wenger and the board are playing all of us fans for mugs.

I second that Dan.
Yesterday we were shocking, nothing short of basically throwing our support back in our faces, they showed no hunger to win and this piece by FTK is exactly why we have fans who still refuse to put any blame on Wenger’s doorstep.
It’s time he took responsibility but the board are happy as long as we finish top 4 so don’t expect any change.

Insightful blog, delivered with though and originality.

Positivity isn’t a crime, being individual and having an opinion is to be cherished. For all those trolls banging their drums there should be one of you banging right back.

Good job, I’m a regular reader and your content is very good.

WG

@ Maximus

It would have been so easy to join the ranks of the Gooners who prefer to turn upon the team and its manager. But that would be akin to civil war.
One has to think about what is best for the club as a whole.

This has not been Arsene Wenger’s finest hour but there is change on the way, and we owe it to the man to make what ever moves are necessary.

I have written many times about the humiliations that Gooners have suffered. This is to add to the beating by Spurs, the 4-4 draw at newcastle, the humilation at Old Trafford and trhe Emirates in the FA Cup and Champions League respectively by the Mancs.

But seriously what good will it do to knock our team when they are already down? This is the intelligent response, to destroy is easy and requires no IQ..

What good will it do when we are still in 3 major competitions, to walk away and not give them our support.
yes there are faults and yes Arsene Wenger is the man responsible, but I can see no benefit what so ever in starting a civil war.
The time for these discussions will be the end of the season. Until then,
EVERY GOONER MUST DO HIS OR HER DUTY!

SUPPORT YOUR CLUB

IN BAD TIMES AS WELL AS GOOD…

@Alan Skirton

I have to disagree, I would rather have lost the Carling Cup and then drawn on those lessons if we get to the Final of the FA Cup or Champions League.

This is called EXPERIENCE…!

We have nothing to look forward to except elimination from everything – we dont compete and require the luck of the draw to avoid the big teams in any competition to be successful. Wengers failure rate is huge yet nothing changes – Arsenal are stagnating because of Wengers ego – he has to go….

No. Defeats won’t help. If Wenger thinks that then Arsenal should be geniuses by now.
I’m disillusioned.
But more than that: I’m bored of it. Arsenal’s story just never, ever changes.
I won’t attack the team but I’ll abandon this sport before it breaks my heart again.

FTK, I admire your optimism but let’s be realistic. In the last 5 years Arsenal have lost big games in a similar manner to how they lost yesterday, no lessons were learned then and it would be naive to think lessons will be learned this time.

Wenger and the team have had many years to fix the weaknesses in the air so what makes you think that they will do it now?

I never have a problem with losing, but i have a huge problem with the way we lose. To say i’m lost for words is an understatement…………………..

@Marky mark

Way too harsh mate…

Calm down and breathe

@Graeme

Thanks for reading ALL of it and getting the message that whilst things are not good, we can learn from our mistakes…

The problem, old chum, is the piss-taking attitude of this club.

Profits before trophies, trophies behind morals …. heck, that too is a bald-faced lie, as we can no longer be guided by Le Senile’s moral compass, not given his recent galivanting ways.

No, FTK, this is an attitude carved in the image of its maker, the man who gave us Eboue, Denilson, Diaby, Almunia, Fabianski, Rosicky, Chamakh – and I speak only of the current crop of imbeciles.

I cannot support or look affectionately upon players of whom I have no empathy with, or sympathy for.

I cannot abide lies, half-truths, deceit and a loser’s mentality.

If I have deserted a sinking ship, it’s because the ship was full of snakes and rats.

Support my team? That ended long ago.

Fool me a thousand times, shame on you, fool me a million times, shame on me.

@Mo hintinn

My friend, believe me…

I feel your pain, but do not desert the cause…

@peanut

We got beaten…
END OF

Now lets deal with it!

I can’t believe all the people that are bitching about what a big loser Wenger is. Just imagine for a second that this freakish incident didn’t happen and we won in the ET or after penalties. What would you have been saying then?
Arsenal was the better team and everyone who says the opposite needs to watch it again. The difference between winning and loosing is very small – one kick of the ball.

End of the day it boiled down to Who wanted it more? Who was up for it?…only one guy – Jack Wilshere!!!!

Lets hope Lansbury Frimpong and Bartley come through & replace 3 or 4 lightweights and dead wood next season.

In the meantime still challenging for 3 more trophies so keeping faith with stubborn Arsene and his youth policy!

We mentally bottled it and too many of our players were either nervous or over-confident.

Foster, Roger Johnson (please Wenger sign him) and Bowyer were superb.

Finally shame on the sizable minority of so called Arsenal fans who left straight at the final whistle not supporting our players and congratulting Birmingham.

@rob

C’mon you the point that I was making…

If Barcelona were the best team on the planet, then Inter Milan should have been brushed aside.

In a cup game, its who performs the best over 90 minutes, not 38 games over a season.

@Nikk

Well said my friend

@GeorgeAFC

that is a discussion for the end of the season if people feel that strongly,
all I will say is be cafeful what you wish for.

until then SUPPORT YOUR CLUB

Will losing do us good?
In case you forgot, have been loosing for past 5 years…still waiting for it to do us good!

Unfortunately its a myth that people learn from their mistakes. In actual fact people learn from the things they do well and then they can repeat them.

In this case winning would have provided the right kind of experience for players who already know very well how to lose big games.

So no, losing won’t do us any good but all we can do is support the team and hope they can pull together and win some silverware. Then we’ll see where we are at the end of the season.

Hopefully Chelsea can get a result on tuesday.

You’re the most hated ar.ehole on this site. You can bet on it as well.

So you’d rather be a rubbish team because you feel sorry for a player that chose to sign a contract worth more than 100k a week?

I can guarentee this isn’t what fabregas is thinking. He is a winner so he is thinking about trying to win the other competitions we are in.

You’re attitude couldn’t be more pathetic. ‘Some of our players aren’t good enough so we don’t deserve to have any good players’. It just doesn’t make sense.

@FredupG
Yes well good observation and we have have had three fourth place and two third place and one second place finishes
We are now second with every likelihood of making top spot if we get our act together.

That rather smacks of progress rather than failure to me …

@superRob7

is just me…

or is your comment intended for someone else…???

@Angelo

When I first started reading your comment, I had the feeling that you had hit the nail on the head, then OH dear the wheels came off.

Get rid of the bloody Diaby and Carlos Vela?

I can think of players who should be shipped out before them actually.
What is this right of Arsenal fans to decide that our manager should be sacked because he has maintained the Club in the Champions league for an amazing length of time, together with finanicial stability and youth players the envy of most clubs in Europe.

Add to that the fact that your allegiance is conditional to whether or not he wins a trophy this year, then perhaps Angelo, you are in fact more than your acceptance of the schizophrenism which prevails by your analysis

In fact I would label it more ambivalence. you love Wenger when he wins and you hate him when he fails to give us success.

The problem that I have is considering how to define success, we have success at the moment that Gooners take for granted, we are thus being a trifle spoilt and not seeing the positives of what we have, and risk losing all in the pursuit of a piece of silverware??? We would risk the future for the sake of a mickey mouse trophy and sack our manager, and then go the way that Liverpool have and shortly Chelsea will do? (the only way is down and Europe league football)

Again I warn you all

BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR…

You don’t get it, do you? I just summerize the state of the Arsenal fans. And it’s not good. And you’re wrong 1 or 2 wins or even a good run will not stop those people, who are already hating Arsene. You’re just wrong. They hate him because they lost the confidence in him and their number is growing and growing. I am nobody to have any influence over the club or to fire anybody. But they will when the stadium will be half empty or just 70% full. It’s not a scare yet but might happen in the future. Not mentioning the fact that the good players will want to leave if we do not start winning. Nobody with any ambition will come here for a while. A fan can maximum stop buying T shirts or attending matches. To summerize what I said, if Wenger shows any ambition (please correct the defensive problems after so many years) he deserves to stay on, if not why? The ambition is not words, it is in the action. It’s my personal opinion that I do not like Diaby (just tell me why he’s useful for this team) and I would either sell Vela or I would play him, but he’s on loan and we are stuck with some really bad players. Don’t you agree? I am surprised at your comment. If you can’t read I AM ONE OF THOSE IDIOTS, WHO ARE PATIENT NOW. CAN@T YOU READ IT OUT.

“and risk losing all, in the way that Liverpool and shortly Chelsea will do.” What the hell . Didn’t I tell you we should be careful with Wenger’s firing? Man you are so clever . You just practically repeat what I said.

What do you mean?
My comment was directed at james mcdaid because I didn’t detect any sarcasm!

@Angelo

I am sorry if I misinterpreted your frustration.

I do understand it, I really do.

but the problem is Angelo, there are no quick solutions and there has to be a degree of trust that despite the current inconsistency, the players will deliver.
How can we beat Barcelona one week and lose to Birmingham the next?
Different players yes,
But take the case of SONG
He was on loan to Charlton after Gooners described him in very much the same way that they are describing Diaby.

Yet Song came good, imagine how much we have saved by not spending 25 million on a holding midfielder, when we had one in our midst?

All I can say to you, is please wait until the end of the season, until then I am asking ALL GOONERS to support their team
This is the only way forward. To stop now and press the self destruct button will not serve any interest other than that of those who wish tosee us lose.
Angelo, your passion confirms that you care.

KEEP THE FAITH mate, there are good times ahead!

No leadership dats where the problem lies no F.cking backbone in the side whats so ever and why didnt Diaby start? How poor was Song? keeping telling fans this guy is the most over rated Arsenal player in history, absolute waste of space.

Thanks. Sorry if I was a bit harsh. You’re right Song developed a lot. I will not want to talk about this until the end of the season. Who is to sell, who is not? I guess Arsene knows, he’s just too sentimental. There must be a method to “map” them up and a time period like 2-3-4 years. If somebody does not show any/enough development there must be a time limit. We cannot keep XVCFF (nice fantasy name ) until he’s 42, because he’s a nice person . I – as I have no chance to influence it – leave this now to the people concerned. By the way I still believe we can win the title (less chance for the FA Cup and very little for the CL, though they are still possible), because Luckchester United are a crappy team with some old legends (Giggsy you’re history ).

Song was very poor and not only yesterday. It seems he’s got some problems with his form. Still I don’t think you’re right and he’s a good player. Overrated? Are you joking? You wanted to say underrated. Nobody made him a god, even after his best matches. Only Sagna is more underrated(notwithstanding his big fault yesterday). We could see many time the mess when he (Song) wasn’t playing. A few weeks ago many would have killed Arshavin. Yesterday he was one of the best players after Jackie Boy. Song will recover soon and then everybody shuts up. And by the way not Song is the weakest link in this team, if you did not realize it yet. I agree with you regarding the lack of leadership and the poor mentality causes us to collapse sometimes. We need to buy a leader if we are not able to have one otherwise.

This is exactly it. The atmosphere is crap because at every other game you are shitting it. It used to be a 1 goal lead wasn’t safe, then 2, then 3 but this season its 4!! We have lost to 2 of the 3 promoted teams!! We have lost to spurs the last 2 league games. How close have we come to embarassing exits against lower league opposition in every round of the FA cup!? We are told its amazing to be in the champions league every year, but lose to Donetsk and Braga.

But yes, lets wait until the end of the season…then after that lets wait to see what wenger does in the transfer window..after that we’ll wait and see how the promising youngsters do at the start of the season..then we’ll wait to the january transfer window..then we’ll still be in a couple of cups, we should be grateful…then we’ll wait the the end of the season..then after that lets wait to see what wenger does in the transfer window…

my bad.

For me the real issue was the absolute predictablility of the result on Sunday. Losing Fabs and Wally wasn’t great but we should have the resources to make light of this kind of every day issue….but choose not to invest. We currently have 19 players out on loan to other clubs yet cannot muster suitably strong stand in players to fill the gaps even temporarily.
The fact is that we have a weak squad which will struggle to compete at the business end of the season and has a track record of failing to provide the type of professional performance required to win the key games.
Sunday was an exagerated example of this but it is evident every week. The lack of communication at the back is criminal. I am a UEFA B license coach and if my u8′s did that on a Sunday morning I would be mortified. These types of errors are borne of complacency and an arrogance that has crept into our game over the past couple of seasons.
If the truth be know we all sat down on Sunday knowing exactly what was going to happen. Birmingham were the better side and deserved to win. We proved that our squad is not strong enough to compete with first teams from all levels of the PL.
I like the keeper…however playing anyone in goal behind such a porous central defence will lead to such incidents.
Could you imagine the Mancs or Chelsea making a similar cock up in such an important game? Never! They are too focused and professional for that to happen.

James

You just hate Song…Why?

Bad news. We (the club) managed to make a loss!!! How on Earth??? The official version has been that we don’t spend, we are very economic, we are healthy financially. It was a goddamn propaganda. Chelsea made a loss by spending a lot and we don’t. Some people left and who did we pay for? Don’t say that buying Squilacci is destroying our finances. I read in the Evening Standard, that it’s because of our “cheap” players. They are in fact not cheap at all. And why did we offer Eboue such a lucrative, long term contract? In the case of Jack, Chezz and Nasri I understand.

By the way if not Arsh then who? The whole defense was crappy. Van Persie does not count, as he had to be substituted and we talk about who should have stayed on/or substituted. Nasri was not so bad, still he was miles away to be better than him (maybe he was equal; he played in the wrong position though; he should have been in Fabregas’/Rosicky’s place; and if Diaby does not play put Bendy as a winger, he gave a couple of goal passes from the side; this could have been a better setup).

Hm. 1.) We made a minus (I was shocked to hear that), so don’t expect any investment. 2.) Weak squad? Exaggeration, but you’re right as well. These set of players (with the weaker players) requires a wide range of tactics. We don’t do that. 3.) Lack of communication? True. This and the porous defense could be rectified even with these players. More/proper defensive training and changing tactics immediately when you see they have a bad day at the office. 4.) Complacency and an arrogance? True. Especially when we have more fringe players in the pitch. Wenger should sit down with them and punish those who keep being like that. 5.) “We proved that our squad is not strong enough to compete with first teams from all levels of the PL.” That’s an exaggeration, as we would not be 2nd in the league. But on our (bad) day it’s true. 6.) “…playing anyone in goal behind such a porous central defence will lead to such incidents.” Completely agree. I wonder how long it would take even a young Seaman to f.ck up. I tell you even he would fail sooner or later. We cannot keep blaming just the keepers and expect him to do 5 players’ job. Who the hell thinks it’s normal? Even the in-form Petr Czech (who has been a very good GK) was not exposed half as many times as our keepers during the season. I’m sure using another tactics, having a better defense, even Almunia would do a much better job.

So briefly talking to players and if needed punishing them, teaching them to be a perfect unit, using new tactics on a bad day even this team would be more lethal. We only have to create a leader or buy one and if we don’t have money (see above; we don’t have a positive balance) sell a couple of the worse player or those on loan. IT’S NOT TRUE WE CANNOT MAKE IT CHEAP, even if it is a world class player with the necessary authority we need so that we can win at long last.

@Angelo
As you rightly point out the fix is based upon getting desire back into the players and being strong enough to get rid of those players who inconsistency is harming the club’s development.

Yet the future is very promising and this is why we must be patient

Szczesny is not a shy individual and in the future he will be one of the best Keepers in the World.

The back four will need a major overhaul, Djourou appears to be making a welcome improvement in form, but we also have Miquel Ignasi , add to that Keiran Gibbs then we need to consider Sagna’s inability to cross a decisive ball.

Add a fit Frimpong, and the likes of JET, Sunu Bartley and Wellington and we will kick Ass!!!

We need a Song replacement for when he is injured and we also need a real left winger.

Rio Miyaichi who currently plays for Feyenoord is waiting in the wings.

Also don’t forget that the stadium will not be full (soaring prices for watching an often humiliating game; I know it I paid the high prices; 46 against a small; 66 against the big teams and they want to rise the prices) and we lose a lot of money if we don’t buy one. Nasri, Fab and company will lose faith and will leave. It can lead to a total erosion. We don’t want that. Wenger needs to show now that he takes it seriously, otherwise we will be in big trouble in 2-3 years time.

@Angelo

The fix is as you rightly define

Commercial tours to bigger markets

At home sensible pricing of tickets

Consistent results on the field.

Jack Wilshere should be a Captain of Arsenal in waiting. He leads by example and is the heartbeat of the future Arsenal

@Maximus

Are you sure?

It may have taken that length of time to play the fixture, but they were not travelling for 58 days,

lol

They could have walked there quicker!

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