Thursday, 24 May 2012

Comparing the problems at Arsenal and Chelsea

Arsenal knocked out of the FA Cup

It says a lot that after only two first legs in the last 16 of the Champions League, it looks likely that for the first time since 1996, there will be no English teams in the quarter-finals of Europe’s top club competition. It says even more that no one is really that surprised.

Chelsea’s task might not be as mountainous as Arsenal’s, but there is a glaring lack of confidence in Andre Villas-Boas’ side. It just doesn’t seem at all feasible that they could, even at Stamford Bridge, beat Napoli convincingly enough to progress. Like Arsenal, their defence has become unreliable and erorr-ridden. The know-how to kill off games from Mourinho’s reign is long gone.

Interestingly, the culture at Chelsea is almost the opposite to that at Arsenal, and yet the end result is the same. While we cry out in difficult times for a change in management, or, at least, more pressure from the board, we’d be wise to look over at our London rivals and see that too much of a move in that direction would see us in largely the same predicament.

Unlike Arsenal, Chelsea have stuck with almost entirely the same core players since the Mourinho era. Cech, Terry, Cole, Lampard, Essien, Malouda and Drogba remain and have remained for many years. Arsenal have chopped and changed the playing staff a lot more in the last couple of seasons alone, but it is at management level that things have gone stale.

Chelsea, on the other hand, have gone through many managerial changes. Even when Carlo Ancelotti won the double in his first season in charge, an early exit from the Champions League cast some doubt over his future. When his side hit a tough spell in the middle of the next campaign, it became all too clear he had no future with the Blues. One trophyless season out of two was all it took for Abramovich to wield the axe.

The Russian oligarch owner is a big part of the problem. He wanted more entertaining football than Mourinho was willing to serve up. In the end he meddled too much, signing an over-the-hill Andriy Shevchenko (looks like great business now when compared with Torres) and forcing Mourinho out after one season of missing out on the league title – despite still winning both domestic cups.

Although Wenger needs to be taken off his pedestal at Arsenal and have more demanded of him from our board, we don’t want Abramovich-level interference. And even if it is Wenger’s time to go, the next manager needs to be given time to rebuild the team. Chelsea’s recent bosses have had to deal with Mourinho’s team, and players who would probably still rather be playing under Jose. It can’t ever get to that situation here: where the players decide which manager they like and which they don’t.

I sympathise with AVB. He had an exceptional season with Porto last year and perhaps felt he was ready for a job as big as this. Perhaps he hadn’t anticipated the media pressure that exists in English football, but it seems like if you wanted your first big job in England Chelsea would be the last place you’d want to go, given Abramovich’s track record.

For the sake of a talented young manager, I hope he is given time. However, as an Arsenal fan, anything that sees Chelsea continue to spiral downward is always welcome.

The lesson here is that continuity is crucial in football. Manchester United stuck with Ferguson during some difficult times, and Fergie realises the importance of keeping old heads around for as long as possible. Whether it’s managers or players, the mistake Arsenal and Chelsea are making is: too much change, too often.

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I'm 23-years-old and currently living in Bristol, studying to be a journalist. I've been hooked on Arsenal since I was about 10, and as much as I sometimes wish I could stop, I can't give them up. Favourite player of all time would have to be Patrick Vieira for the sheer passion with which he played the game.

  • Cheesey 1

    There are many good British managers about such as David Moyes, he has survived 7 Chelsea managers in his time. Chelsea lack team spirit which is evident when we play Everton is instilled in them. A manager like Moyes would get the best out of the players and have them playing for the club. Look at the great players he has bought such as Fellaini and Jagielka who would both walk into the Chelsea team with the little money he has.

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    • Mashman147

      You have fallen into the trap of thinking managers like Moyes and O’Neill would be able to handle the top level players. Just because they get their teams motivated, not sure that is enough to keep players at the top level.

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  • Westside

    Why are you addressing chelsea’s problems when yours is bigger? Charity, they say, begins at home young man.

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    • Mashman147

      Well said

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  • fugazi

    Chelsea is a totally different ball game to us, they don’t lack team spirit at all, they have too much of it, they have a group of 5 people who run the club and they need to be got at, AVB is not to blame for poor defensive errors like last night, they have thrown the towel in because they want him sacked, player power..our problem is simple, we are not coached effectively,  we have a chelsea reject on loan, we are in a right mess, I would take Cahill, mata, sturridge, cole(sadly), fuck even torres !

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    • Mashman147

      Chelseas players are out for themselves. Is that what team spirit is all about? Thank f&ck we don’t have any then.

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  • Berg10

    Why have Arsenal not sacked Wenger…..

    http://blog.emiratesstadium.info/archives/18872

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    • fugazi

      Totally flawed that link, Wenger is not like other managers in respect that he has had 7 years to put it right, 7 years of team building, of doing it his way, how long does this project take ? I agree he is always to be held in high regard, but I don’t care what our museum wall says, I care only what our team is doing, now I have waited 7 years, 7 years, I have been prepared to wait way back after year 3 when everyone said “keep the faith” now I have lost heart, and lost faith in him, yes seeing that lot down the road has made it worse, but they are proof that wenger has screwed up. 

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      • Mashman147

        Easy soluton then you tit. Dont support Arsenal anymore and jog on. What oher clubs have won trophies in the last 7 years? You are a sad man and clearly want success above all else. And that is the problem with alot of Arsenal fans that are now speaking up. They are used to the success hat WENGER brought them. Their expectations are sky high because WENGER made them that way with the trophies he won. They expect champagne football because WENGER gave it to them.

        You need to live in the real world. We are competing with teams with unlimited resources and until this season, have been doing a good job of it.

        I want AW to sort out this summer what he should have done last summer. And if he does, we can get back to where we should be.

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        • fugazi

          Explain to me motormouth on why Wenger feels it acceptable to pay squad players increased levels of salary from the pot rather than invest in new talent and offer people like RVP a bigger salary to keep him ? wes brown reportedly on 18k a week at United, Djorou on 60k ? I am not just talking trophies, I am talking finances the lot, we can compete if he rewards the people who deserve it..so shove your unlimited resources quote up your pipe, he has the funds but gives it away to people like denilson, you talk shit and resort to bully tactics when your limited knowledge is exposed, buy Mata or increase Djorou and fringe salary ? no brainer !

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          • Mashman147

            Apologies Fagazi, I didn’t realise you have inside knowledge of players salaries. So you know what Djourou earns do you? And Wes Brown also. So you got to look at United’s books too. Can you let me know each first team players salary at both clubs please. And also their bonus schemes please.

            Oh, hang on a minute, you just read the papers and assume what is written is correct. Hope you didn’t graze your knees when you jumped on the bandwagon.

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          • fugazi

            Papers ? closer to home than that, part time fan
            you think this website is the length and depth of being a gooner ?

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          • Mashman147

            Indeed it is, that is why I go home and away and am a shareholder. Will look into what I need to do to get up to full time fan….. Like yourself obviously.

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          • fugazi

            For someone who is a shareholder you seem to have little or limited interest in the key misuse of funds available annually to wenger..is that the fault of gazidis that wenger abuses this pot on raising fringe players wages

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          • Mashman147

            So my knowledge is limited because I don’t believe the bullshit in the papers. Fans like you crack me up. Give this player X and this player Y and then buy player Z with the money left over. You treat it like a game. Sad sad unfortunate man.

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      • Berg10

        Aww…did the iddy biddy toys fall out the pwam?

        We’re all fuckin waiting, Wenger included, do you think he sleeps well at night, there’s more to the problem than Wenger being stubborn, if you want  someone out start chanting for Gazidis to fuck off and the crew he brought over here with him, get Dein back and I don’t give a stuff what he did with his shares, we need his wheeler dealer instincts.

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        • fugazi

          Is Gazidis the one increasing the fringe players wages ? Is Gazidis the one eating into the pot Wenger is given annually preventing us signing anyone decent, wake up , you are blaming Gazidis for wengers misuse of funds he gets annually to spend how he feels fit, utter rubbish ! 

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  • Mashman147

    Another load of shit from this blogger. You say continuity is key and you want Wenger out, even quoting Fergie having bad seasons.

    You say the board should demand more of Wenger…. Am sure they are demanding alot of Wenger. It is more important tha Wenger demands more of himself and you know he lives breathes and sleeps the club, so we can be rest assured he is the first one to want to put things right.

    Chelsea have minimal injury problems and they are still losing. We have loads of players out and are above them. What does that say??

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    • Vlad

      injuries, no money,the board, no one loves poor little Arsen?  YAWN!!!!  We’ve been awful this season and some point in time someone has to admit that Wenger has FUCKED UP!

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  • fugazi

    You lot on here don’t support Arsenal at all, you support Wenger !

     I attended the monthly AST meeting last night to find out what the low down was in the world of Arsenal. Truth be told, there wasn’t a whole load of new information if you’ve followed the snippets we’ve shared from them over the last year, but that didn’t matter. Yesterday for me was more about judging fan sentiment.
    I remember the first one of those meeting I attended, any mention of the coaches future was met with jeers. Last night, I said something along the lines of…
    ‘Last year we all celebrated the arrival of a CEO who was essentially hands off. We actively encouraged an owner who’d be business as usual. A year on we’re critiquing him for not forcing the hand of the manager in the transfer market. Should the highest paid man at the club need coerce him into buying players? Should we not be questioning whether that sort of manager is right for us?’
    Then I was asked what I’d do…
    ‘I’ve said since last summer he should be sacked’
    Not one boo. Not one jeer. Just focus on the question. That’s how far we’ve come.
    As for other snippets…
    Arsenal are asking for fan opinion on raising prices. They’re also canvassing on the 7 cup matches and whether people want them. Many said they wouldn’t want to attend Europa Cup games. I say that’s a bit poor. I’d go, regardless and I wouldn’t want those games removed.
    The AST pushing for home credits reward scheme. Apparently 400 club levellers used their ticket once or less last year. Truly disgraceful, but again, a worry for a club so dependent on expensive seats.
    Arsenal have the joint highest ticket revenue in Europe. I’m pretty sure we’re up there with United.
    Only 25% of people take up the option of a new season ticket when offered.
    The Premiership sells so well because the grounds are 92% capacity.
    As of June we’ll have £160mill cash in the bank. Once again it was reiterated that it’s not for spending. Well, not all of it… We pay wages out of that and it acts as cash flow for the season.
    Wages are up to £130million. Massive eh?
    Predicted cash surplus was thought to be £60mill. Arsenal did however pay out a lot in agents fees and loyalty bonuses. Yep, Thomas Vermaelen got a loyalty bonus. Shouldn’t it have been the other way round? Bribing players to stay… cheeky. I wish my work gave me a loyalty bonus after a year out sick.
    Champions League when it’s all said and done is worth £45mill. A mix of TV, gate reciepts and commercial deals. The big question is where that cash comes from if we lose out?
    The AST reckon we have two years of float. £50mill this year and £35mill for next years Queensland Property deal.
    As we’ve reported before, there is at least £25mill worth of dross in the wage bill. We can’t move them on. This has been compounded over the years by a trick Wenger uses to get around the banks stipulation he must invest 25% of transfer proceeds back into the squad. Instead if buying players, he signs his current ones up to new inflated deals.
    We’ve known about this for a while. I find it utterly disgraceful this has been allowed to carry on.
    The fact is, we can afford mega wages. Wenger doesn’t have a wage cap. He has an amount of money to play with. The fact he chooses to give JD £50k, Diaby £60k and Denilson £60k directly hinders his ability to pay Robin £160k pw.
    United don’t pay their fringe players anywhere near what we do. Wes Brown was on £18k pw, he knew he was part of something special though. We have players who are fat off big salaries. Who play for PAYE not glory.
    It’s a horrible mess people, it really is.
    The story of FFP came up as well. Nigel Phillips, like many of our readers believe the club use the ruling to hide behind. City have blatantly breached the rules a number of times and nothing has happened. As have many clubs. The irony of it all is that if any club is in danger of breaching the rules, it’s us if we exit the Champions League. Our wage bill will be unsustainable if we’re out of Europe.
    It was also highlighted that the average age of the board is 73… hence the stagnation and lack of ambition post stadium build.
    There was also the absolute refusal of the club to allow R&W onto the board. It won’t happen. What people suspect might occur is that Stan could sell up if things get too spicy. He’s never sold an asset, but he’s never bought overseas. If he isn’t welcome at his own Franchise… Sorry I mean club… He could sell out for a massive profit. He’s too old to be in it for the long term. Unless his son Josh is a major league soccer fan.
    Interesting that Matt Scott of the Telegraph believes Wenger has made himself unsackable. His squad is too full and too highly paid to do anything with over the next few years. He reckons no top manager would touch the job.
    You’ll hear more from him in a couple of weeks time… in your ears if you get what I mean.
    Some other snippets
    The club improved revenue by £10mill last season. £3mill of that was tour money. £4mill was season ticket price hikes. Yet the CEO landed a £600k bonus! Errr… where is the outrage?We could have a £100million rights issue and beat FFP if it went against the stadium debt. The reason we won’t do that is because Wenger wouldn’t spend the money. Previously it was because the other board members wouldn’t put their hands in their pockets. They only took out of the club…Average attendance to the games these days is in the low fifties.We have 71 paid professional on the wage bill (we had 48 when we moved to the Emirates). We also fund Nik B and Denilson. We laugh at City for doing the same with Adebayor and Bridge, we’re just as bad… on lower salaries of course!The board have got rich off the self sustaining business model.We earn £14mill from short sponsor / manufacture. Liverpool earn £40millNina booted from board for having a Starbucks with Usmanov people.David Dein spends more time with Wenger than Gazidis. If he is spending that much time with Wenger, it begs the question what the hell he’s talking to him about? ‘Errr, Arsene… Squillaci. What the hell were you thinking?’Stadium debt is £220millWhen Dein was booted from the board, Wenger was promised he was in charge. Hence why he was able to pick his own CEO.Wenger decides player value, hence why so many deals fall through. That’s why Mata isn’t wearing an Arsenal shirt.Club runs at break even.There are only 1200 shareholders left. Geoff being one of them. He’s a rarity… he didn’t sell out like so many did.

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    • Berg10

      Woah! Good job you’re not charged per letter, errm, been supporting Arsenal which includes managers since 1970, quite some time pre and post Wenger hopefully.

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