Tuesday, 22 May 2012

Hillsbrough, Munich, gas ovens and paedophiles

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by CARL ELDRIDGE Hillsbrough. Munich. Gas ovens and, yes, paedophiles. All of these subjects are covered in songs belted out by fans trying to bait their opponents, trying to get some advantage by the sheer nastiness of the content.

To create an atmosphere. To stir things up. By upsetting and intimidating opposing fans and players can an advantage be handed to those you support? Be it Tottenham fans to AW, be it MIBS at Anfield or even Kopites taunting United followers. Or as is being suggested in the media this morning, is it utterly unacceptable? Should the Feds be allowed into grounds to arrest singers, close down parts of the ground and hit offending clubs with fines?

(By the way, why has the widespread disorder between City and United fans — sparked, I am told by Munich-taunting City supporters after the semi-final win at Wembley — been largely ignored by the media?)

And don’t think for one minute Gooners aren’t as bad. Every bit as bad actually. Yes, the ‘bag of sweets’ song is horrible but, let’s be honest here, joyously celebrating those who died in the Holocaust is hardly a Sunday morning hymn is it? Try walking around one of the death camps or the Anne Frank Museum in Amsterdam and come back and chant that.

But once the 90 minutes is up how many of these supporters, caught up in the moment and venting their spleen in a hideous and vile way, walk away from the ground and never ever utter any of the views contained in the songs again? Until, perhaps the next game against a particular opponent? Isn’t all about being caught up in the moment? Is there a balance to be struck? Is it banter or beyond that? 

By cracking down on these taunts will we be  close to completely santising the game completely? All-seater stadiums, prawn sarnie brigades and even the middle-class lady behind me one game last season who was doing her knitting (no, I am not kidding) have already taken some of the edge from the voluminous atmospheres we find at many top flight clubs…especially ours.

It is a tough one because I want rivalry to flourish but there is a line. Yet where can it be drawn? Yes, the songs are disgusting. Yes, they are celebrating death, inhumanity, tragedy. But isn’t that life itself? They are only songs. Sticks and stones and all that. Whatever your view it will, I have no doubt, provoke ungratifying discourse. The debate will, no doubt, rage on…

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Eldo71

Arsenal fan for 40 years. Schoolboys, North Bank, Clock End then East Upper. Then Emirates. AFC dream team: Wilson, Dixon, Sansom, Adams, Pates, Brady, Williams, Pires, Bergkamp, Henry, Wright. Subs: Seaman, Eldridge, Wilshere, RVP, Ball. Manager: Arsene Chapman.

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  • bigsyisback

    Exactly right, EXACTLY !..

    We must always seek to attack a weakness in our rivals in it all part of the terrace culture, right back to when we used to sing about “brady walking on water everybody knows that dog shit floats”..all good funny banter..same on here for me, only the mindless few like FTK have to resort to nastiness and bitter stuff, all left behind at the turnstiles after the match…good post you gooner scum ! ha ha

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  • John in Norfolk

    Bigsy,

    Nice of you to comment, on a subject so far away from the one that matters most to you Spuds. That of the fast receding hopes of a top four finish!

    Champions League? Yer ‘avin a larf! Ha Ha Ha Ha

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  • tone

    i love the game of football, it can be a beautiful sport.
    What spoils it for me is the very issue you have highlighted in your article.Abuse of rival fans can be acceptable if it is contained within the performances of the teams or individual players. iE YOUR JUST A SHINT BARCELONA!.
    munich was outside football so of course was the holocaust…its not connected.
    Also i am appalled and so disappointed in england fans jeering the oppositions’ national anthem. Have they got a problem with joe public in albania for instance?
    There are a lot of morons tha follow football..you dont get this crass, vile behaviour at rugby do you?
    KEEP THE PASSION IN FOOTBALL AND THE BANTER,BUT KEEP IT WITHIN THE BOUNDS OF DECENCY.iTS HARDLY CIVILISED BEHAVIOUR IS IT!!!

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  • Rupe

    I’m curious as to why you mention “gas ovens”. When did you last actually hear songs about such things at a football match? The last time I heard anything like that was about 15 years ago, when a couple of guys a few rows behind me in the Clock End starting the hissing thing but stopped very quickly after basically everyone within earshot turned on them.

    Maybe that does still happen, but to mention it as if it offsets the bag of sweets song is to ignore the huge leap forward that Gooners have made in this regard. The bag of sweets song is sung now, and a lot, and by whole stands of opposition fans.

    IMHO the trouble with the bag of sweets thing is that many Tottenham fans (and maybe those of other clubs) genuinely think that there is something in those rumours. I’ve explained the history of it to a few, including the fact that the Tottenham-supporting DJ who spread the story on air when Arsene joined Arsenal later admitted it was a hoax, and they were genuinely shocked.

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  • Quartz

    Sadly songs about all of the above subjects are still sung. Gas oven and Auschwitz songs have been heard this season at Arsenal, I have heard them. These songs go beyond what is acceptable. Baiting opponents should be done by humour and innovative songs, not by hate which is not connected to football.

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  • John in Norfolk

    There used to be some humour in the songs sung at football matches, sadly now there just seems to be abuse.

    I recall an instance where a fan used the “f” word and was told to shut up as there where ladies present, he apologised immediately.

    I very rarely attend matches these days and I am thankful that the obscenities are rarely heard on television.

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  • bigsyisback

    on my kids life JIN not fussed, too much made of this champions league crap, we had a good time in various cities, but it is not all that, the first group stage is boring and pointless, the second phase gets better, but like last night we turned it off me and the mrs utter boring, just don’t get all the hype about it, and making it top 4 is just nonsense, it should be for champions and champions only, we made a mockery of it this year and it sort of ruined it for me..a good season away from it now and we may surprise a few, you can’t laugh by the time you have lost to United you will be a piddly few points ahead of us, and I just don’t get this Arsenal mentality of happy finishing 4th each year, it is a novelty to us at the moment but i would pulling the seats out and chucking them on the pitch if we continue to sit around 5th and 4th for the next 6 years, we have a chance to kick on now and we will spend again..will you ?

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  • bigsyisback

    you have a point there, I know lots of fellow yids who genuinely are convinced AW is a fiddler, look to be frank who cares, my mrs and I love the banter and songs, it is football, we frequently sing to our own at spurs, the ugliest git you have ever seen in your life sits 5 rows in front of me and “gargoyle give us a song ” is constantly shouted to him, he loves the attention and we all give it to him,,i remember being in a group of lads who coined Tony Adams years ago when i was naive and silly, and he came over and said ” 50p thats a bit big for a bunch of yids innit” now that was a legendary comment and bloody hilarious, he actually got a laugh and a round of applause..keep the spirit in the game ,…the banter is what makes it…posh spice, ruel fox and sweaty box, officers arresting us from trees, with us singing ” special branch special branch” all good fun ..and part of my fond days when football was football..

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  • bigsyisback

    I am really not offended by it, it is not meant, you have to be sensible about things, millions told jokes about princess diana and the tragic accident, and amongst those millions there were thousands who have lost their own relatives in car crashes, they didn’t get all uppity I am sure..it is banter and funny..no hurt intended..or we wouldn’t have honoured rocky rocastles minute silence ..put it into context please people.

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  • John in Norfolk

    Bigsy,

    No the Spuds wont sit around at fourth or fifth for the next six years….they’ll be lucky to finish in the top half.

    Old ‘Arry knows he’s got the worst trio of strikers in the league, and so do you. The Midget, the Bean-pole and the Very Sleepy Russian are just not good enough.

    I wonder who Twitchy will go for! Michael Owen? Emile Heskey? or …what about Bendtner? he should fit in fairly well, still you may have had enough of buying Arsenal rejects after your experience with David Bentley! :D

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  • Mark Davies

    Totally agree with you, the last 10 years have seen a decline in funny chants and its fallen to old style 70s/early 80s chants. The media hyperbole of matches hasn’t helped either.

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  • bigsyisback

    loads of money to spend JIN loads and we will mate don’t worry..

    pointless arguing though as it reduces you to our level, oops you are ha ha you win sod all too these days silly me ..forgot ! thought you were Arsenal..oops oh you are ..ha ha

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